Stalls in Turns

Back in the days before Part 61 there was a Day VFR Syllabus for pilot training which included “Recovers from stall during a turn” and “Recover from incipient spin”. Note: “incipient spin entry (stall with wing drop)”. There was also “Recovers at incipient spin stage during a turn”. So, it was quite clear that pilots undergoing basic training must perform stalls in a turn.

Underpinning knowledge included:

“Explain symptoms of the approach to the stall and the stall in the aircraft type flown
• Explain the relationship between angle of attack and the stall
• Explain the effects of weight, ‘g-force’ and angle of bank on the stall speed
• Explain the potential dangers of unbalanced flight at slow speed
• Explain the principles associated with the position of the stick/control column and the point of stall
• State the symmetrical and rolling ‘g-force’ limitations of the aircraft being operated”

So, why couldn’t pilots tell me the symptoms of a stall ( as distinct from symptoms of the approach to the stall)? Why didn’t they know about the relationship between stick position and angle of attack?

Why did so many pilots tell me that they had never done a stall in a turn?

“Sideslipping turn
• Adjusts bank angle to turn through minimum heading change of 90° at
constant airspeed using sideslip”

I did not encounter any pilot trainee who did that yet it was a clear requirement of the syllabus.

All of the above elements would have been included in the flying school’s pilot training syllabus and the pilot would have signed that they were done and the instructor would have signed for that person to have achieved the required level of competency.

All of the above is really just background information now because we have Part 61 and the associated Manual of Standards so let’s have a look at some of that.

Now we have more stalls to do!

Pretty simple – it is part of the required syllabus:

And there are some underpinning knowledge requirements too:

Those sideslipping turns are still in the syllabus:

And, of course, expect to do some of the above in a flight review per:So why do pilots come to me saying that they haven’t done this stuff? It is not specifically required on the RPL test form but not excluded and perhaps examiners choose not to do them on a test. Flying schools would therefore not emphasise them during training.

My opinion is that it should be emphasised in training as there are too many fatal accidents arising from a stall in a turn. The only way to get flying schools to emphasise it is for examiners to include it in the RPL and PPL tests.

Finally, just to round off your awareness of stall behaviour get your instructor to demonstrate a stall in a skidded turn. You should already know what to expect from the above underpinning knowledge explained during your basic flight training. But just don’t get any instructor to show you – it will have to be someone who has a spin and/or aerobatic training endorsement – try one and you will see what I mean.


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